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To be in line with the purging of German place names in Slavic countries, there should likewise be no Slavic names for German places, no? Berlin is a German city located in Germany where only German is official. 95.194.209.79 (talk) 12:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This image is used with this caption in the article. But in this image the Berlin Wall is not clearly visible. I believe another image should be used. Anselm Schüler (talk) 12:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
⟨ʁ⟩ is ambiguous as to whether it's fricative or approximant, so ⟨ʁ⟩ already encompasses [ɐ̯], much the same way as ⟨j⟩ and ⟨i̯⟩, and ⟨ɹ⟩ and ⟨ɚ̯⟩, are synonymous. Nardog (talk) 13:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's also used like that because it shows the potential difference between [aʁ] and [aːɐ̯] which some (not all) speakers make. Using ⟨aɐ̯⟩ for the one with the underlying short vowel is just wrong, it's not a diphthong. In Standard German, those are often homophonous as [aː~ɑː] (which may or may not yield a merger with /aː/), yet in Low German-influenced German they're [æː] and [ɑː], two very distinct monophthongs (I think the latter is fully merged with /aː/, which is open back). For others, they're [aʁ] and [aː~ɑː], or fluctuating between that and [aː~ɑː] for both. It's really complicated and not at all straightforward as in Danish or English. If the /r/ is there, it's there as an approximant, or regionally as a fricative which can be devoiced before fortes (as in Luxembourgish).
I agree that the most common pronunciation is [bɛɐ̯ˈliːn], that's the only one I've ever heard in contemporary German (discounting obvious regional accents, you can hear [bɛɾˈliːn] in Switzerland and [bæʁˈliːn] in Luxembourg). I must admit that I can't hear the r-reflex very well sometimes, to me it at least sometimes sounds like [bɛˈliːn] (which is not a transcription I'd use in an encyclopedia, of course). Sol505000 (talk) 11:29, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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